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Vickie Williams · Posted: 05 May 2009 09:27 am Post Subject: Be an informed voter Read Article

the county will receive only $5,000 in sales tax, while our opponents - the retailers - will receive hundreds of thousands of dollars.

This statement is absolutely not true. The statement was made to drive home the opinion of Mr. Khalifa that retailers in precinct 4 are greedy men and woman only out for themselves with no regard for the community in which they live, worship and raise their children. Please know that I am a retailer in precinct 4, I also have a store, in a wet county, and believe me if there are hundreds of thousands of dollars being put into my pocket that is certainly news to me. Margins on the sale of alcohol are low, I would gladly take the profit on the sale of a $200,000 home over the profit received from the sale of beer/wine. As to previous comments on the sale of beer/wine being abused when readily available, I have for the past 13 years had access to all the beer/wine I could carry. My drinking habits have not changed at all over this time. I could count on one hand the number of "6-packs" I have purchased in the past 13 years! Mr. Khalifa~Give responsible business men and women a little credit for a job well done in boosting the local economy and give the residents of Smith County credit for the ability to make their own informed decisions!

Nancy Moore · Posted: 05 May 2009 09:08 pm Post Subject: Re: Be an informed voter

As I have traveled in the area all I have seen is, most ALL the stores have FOR signs around them. They are really pushing it and someone said something about zoneing.

Are they going to go out of business if they do not get to sell beer? Will they need to join GM's group or what?

What is zoning going to be and who will decide that? Other than the so many feet away from school and church. From what I hear if the vote is yes then who ever can do what ever. By putting in stores where ever they please. Is this not so?

The state park is a very clean and nice area. It want be if voted wet. He has signs up every were with the FOR on them. It is on a blind hill and they have wrecks there enough with out adding this to it.

It is a fact if you drink more then a few you do not think correctly. Please don't get into the drink per person deal with it all. It will not just be drank in homes. That is not realistic. What about the drinker that gets a six pack and drinks it and wants another one or the party that runs out but it is just down the street so we can go get more. It is just a few blocks away not miles. This is so much better??? After they have drank over the limit. The cops are not around here much now, so they will just drink & drive till they kill someone or crash. Yea it is happening now some anyway but some is better than alot.
This really sound like a good deal! FOR WHO??

If it passes wet they will need to get on the jail building, they will need more room. IT does not take much for one to blow the test & go to jail.

From Winona it is only 7 miles to the first store. What is the big deal with all that? 7 more miles

I will be glad when this is all over and pray it does not pass.

I do not want to see it in my face and my kids face every time I go to the store or get gas. That is my right and I like it this way.

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Then by all means Nancy lets ban fried foods because I am disgusted at the obese people in East Texas. It is nasty and I am sick of it. Everytime I go into a restaurant or the mall, fat people everywhere! Holy Cow!

Blah, blah, blah....

Bottom line: YOU CAN'T LEGISLATE MORALITY.

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Every argument in your post is irrelevant to the core of the matter, liberty. On the other hand, every argument you make is perfectly relevant if you are attempting to convince individuals not to purchase the alcohol. That's how we operate in a free society. You don't remove things from the entire county that are legal, you refuse things that are legal to buy and try to convince individuals to refuse them as well if that's where your logic or morality leads you. That's freedom.

Let me give you a good example: There is a movement here in Tyler, and in many other conservative Christian Southern towns, that is trying to convince people to do business only with companies that are owned by Christians. I have seen the bumberstickers "Shop Christian" and I have been to the Christian Business Directory online. I searched for Anwar Khalifa's business on them and his does not appear as an option. This however does not strip Mr. Khalifa of his freedom or his liberty to sell his product. It is simply an attempt to convince individuals to shop elsewhere. They are not removing his business as an option in the county. They are refusing his business as an option in the county and asking others to also refuse it. That way, all parties involved walk away with their freedoms/liberties intact.

Your way, according to your post, leaves it to where all parties walk away with their freedom/liberty dismantled, but your desires met. Even if you do not drink and your heart and mind is dead set against it you will still be losing the freedom/liberty. It doesn't matter if you will buy or you won't buy alcohol, it only matters if you can buy or you can't buy alcohol. You may never buy cigarettes, but your freedom to take the liberty to buy them is there. That's the long and short of it, liberty. Liberty if it comes in a form that offends your senses, or liberty if it comes in a form that caters to them. It's still liberty all the same.

If you vote to keep the precinct dry you are voting to restrict your own liberty to appease your desires. You are well within your rights to do that as an individual through choice, but you are not within your rights to decide it for others regardless of the litter, the number of people arrested, or even the children.

It may be difficult to be a witness to individuals about the dangers of alcohol, but the difficulty of that witness does not qualify as a good reason to restrict liberty. We do not remove freedom if it is not our preference we refuse it. Vote YES because you are a believer in liberty for all. Refuse to buy the alcohol and try to convince others to because you want to keep the park clean. It's a very simple concept.

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Re: Be an informed voter As I have traveled in the area all I have seen is, most ALL the stores have FOR signs around them. They are really pushing it and someone said something about zoneing. Are they going to go out of business if they do not get to sell beer? Will they need to join GM's group or what? What is zoning going to be and who will decide that? Other than the so many feet away from school and church. From what I hear if the vote is yes then who ever can do what ever. By putting in stores where ever they please. Is this not so? The state park is a very clean and nice area. It want be if voted wet. He has signs up every were with the FOR on them. It is on a blind hill and they have wrecks there enough with out adding this to it. It is a fact if you drink more then a few you do not think correctly. Please don't get into the drink per person deal with it all. It will not just be drank in homes. That is not realistic. What about the drinker that gets a six pack and drinks it and wants another one or the party that runs out but it is just down the street so we can go get more. It is just a few blocks away not miles. This is so much better??? After they have drank over the limit. The cops are not around here much now, so they will just drink & drive till they kill someone or crash. Yea it is happening now some anyway but some is better than alot. This really sound like a good deal! FOR WHO?? If it passes wet they will need to get on the jail building, they will need more room. IT does not take much for one to blow the test & go to jail. From Winona it is only 7 miles to the first store. What is the big deal with all that? 7 more miles I will be glad when this is all over and pray it does not pass. I do not want to see it in my face and my kids face every time I go to the store or get gas. That is my right and I like it this way.	-1	Nancy Moore
Re: Be an informed voter Then by all means Nancy lets ban fried foods because I am disgusted at the obese people in East Texas. It is nasty and I am sick of it. Everytime I go into a restaurant or the mall, fat people everywhere! Holy Cow! Blah, blah, blah.... Bottom line: YOU CAN'T LEGISLATE MORALITY.	-1	Heidi Lockridge	05/06 5:22 pm
Re: Be an informed voter Every argument in your post is irrelevant to the core of the matter, liberty. On the other hand, every argument you make is perfectly relevant if you are attempting to convince individuals not to purchase the alcohol. That's how we operate in a free society. You don't remove things from the entire county that are legal, you refuse things that are legal to buy and try to convince individuals to refuse them as well if that's where your logic or morality leads you. That's freedom. Let me give you a good example: There is a movement here in Tyler, and in many other conservative Christian Southern towns, that is trying to convince people to do business only with companies that are owned by Christians. I have seen the bumberstickers "Shop Christian" and I have been to the Christian Business Directory online. I searched for Anwar Khalifa's business on them and his does not appear as an option. This however does not strip Mr. Khalifa of his freedom or his liberty to sell his product. It is simply an attempt to convince individuals to shop elsewhere. They are not removing his business as an option in the county. They are refusing his business as an option in the county and asking others to also refuse it. That way, all parties involved walk away with their freedoms/liberties intact. Your way, according to your post, leaves it to where all parties walk away with their freedom/liberty dismantled, but your desires met. Even if you do not drink and your heart and mind is dead set against it you will still be losing the freedom/liberty. It doesn't matter if you will buy or you won't buy alcohol, it only matters if you can buy or you can't buy alcohol. You may never buy cigarettes, but your freedom to take the liberty to buy them is there. That's the long and short of it, liberty. Liberty if it comes in a form that offends your senses, or liberty if it comes in a form that caters to them. It's still liberty all the same. If you vote to keep the precinct dry you are voting to restrict your own liberty to appease your desires. You are well within your rights to do that as an individual through choice, but you are not within your rights to decide it for others regardless of the litter, the number of people arrested, or even the children. It may be difficult to be a witness to individuals about the dangers of alcohol, but the difficulty of that witness does not qualify as a good reason to restrict liberty. We do not remove freedom if it is not our preference we refuse it. Vote YES because you are a believer in liberty for all. Refuse to buy the alcohol and try to convince others to because you want to keep the park clean. It's a very simple concept.	-1	Toby Wahl	05/07 8:49 am

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