Posted: 11 Jan 2009 01:55 am
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| Everyone was saying how successful the surge was. The information was there about how we started paying the Suni 'sons of Iraq' for their cooperation in the fight against al-queda and some even suggested that the success of the surge started even before we increased troop strength.
Bill, are you implying that increased boots on the ground from our wonderful 100% volunteer U.S. Military didn't have anything to do with decreased violence? I have to consider that you know you're taking a shot at the military saying that, and I also know you know 100% how much I support our military, therefore you cannot expect me to let this one go without a response.
Success of the surge started before increased troop strength? Now THAT is hilarious. Let me tell you this, IDF (indirect fire) attacks peaked in June 2007, dropped by 1/2 in July, dropped in 1/2 again in August. Do you know what is significant about June 2007? That is the first month that all 5 additional brigades were finally in Iraq and on the ground. For you to try to diminish the fact that our troops are what cut IDF attacks in half and in half again in 2 months is about as un patriotic as it gets. As soon as I legally can, I'll send you the data on IDF attacks.
Once again, people believing CNN and even FOX and taking it for the Gospel shows what so many people have become, pawns of the media.
On another note, do you think the current conflict in Isreal is really Palestinians versus Israelis? It's a dang shame the media won't call it like it is and just say it's muslims killing Jews and after 4000 rockets from hamas fired into Israel over the last 3 years (where's the world concern over that) the Israelis finally got fed up with it. This isn't a battle over land, it's some people following direction from their holy book, plain and simple.
I think this forum is a great place for everyone from both sides to voice their opinions, but taking shots at our military is a little overboard. There's an old Merle Haggard song about that.
Posted: 11 Jan 2009 07:31 am
Post Subject: Re: Viagra for intelligence
Robert Reddell writes:
Bill, are you implying that increased boots on the ground from our wonderful 100% volunteer U.S. Military didn't have anything to do with decreased violence? I have to consider that you know you're taking a shot at the military saying that, and I also know you know 100% how much I support our military, therefore you cannot expect me to let this one go without a response.
I was not downgrading our troops at all. What I was saying is that the success of the surge was greatly enhanced by the fact that we also paid off some opponents. When we dismissed the Iragi army and sent them home (with their weapons) early on we made a big mistake as we cut off their income. By paying the Sons of Iraq we corrected some of that mistake and thus reaped benefits.
Some in the press have suggested that the surge was not really needed as we already had turned around because of the payoff to the Sons of Iraq. Whenever I write about methods used in Iraq by our political planners the other side tries to paint that as being against the troops. I have never spoken out against the job our troops are doing and in fact have been a strong supporter of treating them better when they come home.
The strength of this nation is that we the people have the right to speak out and either praise or critize our government leaders for what they do or do not do.
As for the palestinians and the Israelis you oversimplify the situation as usual. There are issues deeply rooted in economics, land, illegal settlements, and human right abuse involved here and to just say it is Muslim killing Jew is a position that precludes looking deeper into the issue. Don't forget that Iran's influence is at play here as well as in Lebanon. Don't oversimplify this extremely complicated foreign affairs situation.
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